the republicans are retards --only 5%--of them make over 100 thousand a year --and they back big money --wanna bet 10 thousand dollors -----lol

i agree with that.. the main reasons were one he is from massachusetts and second he is a mormon. thats the bottom line folks. sad but true.

your correct

and the right does not do the very same thing every time one of them opens their mouth .....sorry i forgot about the tunnel vision

they also love the fact they own our childrens soul for all the biilions they will have to pay back to china.

OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE A UNSKILLED WORKER --WHO HAS NO IDEA HOW A UNION OPERATES -----BUT THATS OK ----WANNA BET TEN THOUSAND DOLLORS ----WINK

That would be "your right" unless you're talking about a religious observance.

actually it should be you're right

Real PROGRESS ???? Would you like to enumerate that? Solyndra? Oil pipe line? Wind energy? If we have had REAL PROGRESS, why are there still so many people unemployed? It's a whole lot more than 8% too ... thank about all the people who have QUIT LOOKING for jobs. GET REAL ! The last thing this country needs is 4 more years of destruction. Even Ron Paul would be better than what we have nox.

how about gas was 1.79 and the national debt was almost five trillion dollars less. also we were not paying china 300 million dollars a day interest. between the spending and illegals, our children are screwed.

And Republicans would fix this how?...by lowering taxes for the richest people in the nation once again?...how high was gas in the summer of 2007, and 2008 again? when we had a republican president?

ha ha ha.... what are you reading to get your INFO ??? COMIC BOOKS ??? Where are the job gains ?? In the public sector or in the government sector?

a couple of million? how about almost a billion.. you have such a lack of knowledge of things. typical liberal. take the blinders off n get your head out of the sand.

really?...a billion?...i dont think so and even if it were true whats greater one billion?...or 6 trillion?...you do the math and get back to me

@Brian:

re: "...really?...a billion?..."

believe loan guarantee was $528-535 million...not sure if solndra took the full amount guaranteed or if US will recover any of the principle in bankruptcy proceeding...that said:
"These defaults represent just 1.3 percent of the $37.6 billion loan portfolio. The biggest bet to date is an $8.33 billion loan guarantee for a nuclear plant in Georgia."
need to see the return on the 37.6 billion portfolio...and wonder

re: "what are the policy alternatives"

return to those thrilling days of yesteryear...no social security, no medicare, no OSHA, etcetc...ie,

the same old, sameold, sameold GOP's that led to the 1929 depression and 2008 recession...ieieio, cut taxes for the rich, provide loopholes for corporations, cut programs/safety nets for the least...wheeee...and;

provide a no reg free market which has never worked...except for the 1%-ers

perpetuate the myth the economy is better under GOPs than DEMs...

a no reg free market only works where there are no greedy bastards.

oh/and, repeal BO-care and make BO a one term pres.

What's for supper tonight? Can I bring a few friends thaty havent had a job since the President took the oath?

@SDR: "havent had a job since the President took the oath?"

rather than too cute by 1/2 remarks which add nothing to understanding the issue...you may want to check the metrics...all are trending positive since BO took over...since jan 2009...and;

30-40 million are on the path to health insurance...probably including yo friends w/o a job.

my, my ... are you ever hateful ! Go take a break ... go watch football :)

There is hateful, then there is realistic and informed. The advertisements during this primary were nothing but embarassing to all of the "candidates" for office. One would probably not vote for any of them to be the mayor of your town, and thinking that they would be a good President of The United States of America? Really?

And can you imagine how things would be if that scary / goofy combination of McCain / Pain actually got elected?

Jobs was the focus. Seen many?

WWJD? Not vote for any of these republican turkeys. Better to vote for the slapstick comedy of Moe, Larry and Curly...

i wondered why so many people had sheeps for pets.

ABO

ABO

ABO

HUH---WE BOUGHT BILLIONSOF GM STOCK TO BAIL THEM OUT TRUE... PROBLEM IS WE BOUGHT THE STOCK BACK FOR HALF PRICE. DAHH TAXPAYER LOST MILLIONS AND MILLIONS... THE SAME IS TRUE FOR CHRYSLER.

The bail outs and stimulus during an economic catastrophy were actions that would have to have been done by any seated President irregardless of party affiliation. Both parties share in the responcibiity for the crisis and want to point fingers at the other when the fickle finger of fate should turn back around and point at themselves. It is time for a new party.

GM repaid the Tarp loans with other loans from the government! And if it was not for the Chinese buying GM cars which is a deal made with the administration, there would be no GM!

David, You are missing the biggest issue here. It is about the role of the federal government in our lives. Do you really believe that the federal government should be in charge of picking the winners and losers with tax payers money. Why should the government bail out GM? GM as a company made promises to employees for pensions and healthcare that it could not pay. That is what brought about their failure as a company. When companies make bad decisions they should fail. So, let's ask the question..If David thinks bailing out a company by the government leads to saving jobs why not bail out every company with over 1000 employees in the interest of saving jobs. The answer is, it could not be afforded by the tax payers. The reality is that going down this road will lead to a command and control economy. No one mentions the thousands of jobs lost when Obama closed dealerships, parts warehouses and supply companies in his "rescue" of GM. Primarily because these jobs were not Union jobs. This same arguement goes for Solyndra and any other lucky lotto company that is deemed worthy of government favor. The government take over of GM was not about GM but about government control. Why else whould he give majority ownership to the Unions and fleece the investors of GM. Take this to a personal level, what if unemployment compensation were distributed the same way, based on union, company or industry and you were not in the chosen group and sent to the back of the line? Ideology wins here

@Dr. John: "...Ideology wins here"

certainly not common sense or facts...

as with so many discussions on PATCH...contributors put their words in the mouth of person the disagree with; then attempt to disprove your own words...eg;

no one said: "the federal government should be in charge of picking the winners and losers."

no one said: "bail out every company with over 1000 employees in the interest of saving jobs."

re: No one mentions the thousands of jobs lost when Obama closed dealerships, parts warehouses and supply companies in his "rescue" of GM.

would dr john direct us to the data that shows the net effect of the GM rescue was a loss of jobs...and how you conclude why BO closed dealerships because they were not union jobs.

as you know or should know closing dealerships was part of the process to save GM...and it worked. in 2009 GM stock fell below $1.00/share...it's now around $24.

re: This same argument goes for Solyndra and any other lucky lotto company that is deemed worthy of government favor...

weel this is just extremely faulty logic...and it will be addressed later.

Stanley,
Again you miss the point. What gives the federal govenment the right to intervene in a business that is not part of government. Don't you think it is perverse that Ford employees, who did not get bailed out (nor wanted to), are paying with their taxes the money to bailout their competitor? Ford did not decide that, other american citizens did not decide that. A select few decided that. David states that just because GM saved jobs, that makes what the government did OK. Stanley, since you see some logic in this. Why don't you explain to us what limits the federal government has in saving or assisting private sector companies. Is it just limited to the auto industry? Is it limited to those companies (or people) who are "too big to fail". Is it only for companies that further an agenda (Solyndra). GM is a shadow of the company it was before and yet after Billions of Bush and Obama dollars still struggles.
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/c/credit_crisis/auto_industry/index.html This is'nt the first time the govenment has used the "winners and losers" strategy. As you will remember, BHO stated he was'nt sure he could guarantee the military or the seniors would get paid during a government shutdown. Do you ever wonder what other departments were going to get paid? Although that fortunately never became reality, It was going to be used for as much political mileage as possible. Once you let government in the door it only gets bigger

haley is a loser ---

ABO

Deleting e-mails doesnt necessarily destroy them. They remain on the main server. The reasons behind the Governor's decision to not renew the appointment of Darla Moore (a one percenter) to the USC Board made sence to me. The Board's decisions were being influences by one person instead of what is good for USC.

JohnH -- really? Those emails have been made available to the public?

Haley put some lawyer on the Board, as I recall, to substitute for this highly successful and nationally visible BUSINESS person. The USC Business School named after her -- and it is the rated international business school in the world.

The decisions of The Board were being "overly influenced" by one person? Ever sit on a Board of Directors? Nice myth - you believe that Haley did what was best for USC for the good of our State?

And jobs are coming to SC. Right.

LOTS of high paying jobs. Two jobs for everyone.

What was it that Mr. T used to say? "I pity the fool..." Yeah, I think that was it.

"I pity the fool who thinks that the Republicans are doing what is best for this country at this time", like keeping millions of eligible voters from voting because they will not have a picture ID, even though there might (and that is not proven) be a dozen or so actual instances of Voter Fraud nationally during Presidential elections. (That is simply a transparent action to deny the vote to people of color or old people or poor people. There is NO other good explanation, as many university studies have already shown.)

Yeah, "Good Government" is an oxymoron when applied to what happens here in the State. "Say it ain't so!"

There was a report from one of the local channels done after the primary that hundreds of votes were cast in past elections from peple who have been deceased. No indication yet of which candidate the deceased endorse.

When you register to vote, you get a voter ID. I think it's a reasonable request that a person who is about to vote produce that ID or another form of identification to prove that they are who they say they are and live where they say they live.

The dems can just roll dead bodies in with a photo ID...simple :)

LOL - In all fairness to both parties, the deceased were understandably difficult to nail down in an exit interview or survey so their party affiliation could not be ascertained at that time.

Amen to that. No one held a gun to to the heads of people to coerce them to buy a house or other things that they could'nt afford. I'm just as guilty, buying things on credit. Buy now, pay later.

The great depression had the roaring 20's. This great recession had the rocking 2000's. Anything goes.

As time goes on I'm smarter, more frugal, wiser, better.

Thanks for saying what needs to said.

Amen, we are, hopefully, all Americans sharing the same boat :)

@John H: "No one held a gun to the heads of people to coerce them to buy a house or other things that they couldn't afford"

"we have met the enemy and it are us"... we should have never voted for the GOPs...weel...

actually the DEMs and GOPs turned the wolves, greedy bastards, lose on us when they repealed Glass–Steagall ... then;

the vampires and werewolves bundled worthless mortgages, got the bundles rated AAA bonds...it was a based on the stupid concept the real estate mkt would "go up, up, and away" forever...then we have AIG who insured losses on the worthless bonds...

those who saw this made zillions selling short.

now the GOPs want to continue their no reg free market and we (the enemy of us) say "go for it"...we dont need regs...what we need is voter IDs.

Stanley: Just read up on Glass - Steagall. Thank you. That explaines alot. Let me see if I got this correct. Lobbyists pushed for it, Congress enabled it, Banking funded it, Wall street packaged it, Insurance underwrote it. And we bought it. When it went in the tank, Lobbyists got paid (former speaker Gingrich), Congress benefitted, Banking, Wall street and Insurance got bailed out by us. And we got left holding the bag. I am so disillusioned by both Repubican and Democrats.

Well, it seems that we all agree that the best intentions of government getting involved in the private sector ultimately led to a disaster. This is just my point in other posts regarding GM, Solyndra and even the student loan market and financial regulation. Make rules and laws to protect the consumer, but not to manipulate the market or system ie. sub-prime loans, auto bailouts, industry favortism.

@Dr. John: "Well, it seems that we all agree that the best intentions of government getting involved in the private sector ultimately led to a disaster...

COMMMENT
getting closer...but still disagree...and sadly on most examples dr john cites...ie;

1. GM: success saved many jobs and brought the industry back from the brink...in 2009 GM stock fell below $1.00/share...it's now around $24.

2. Solyndra: yes it was a loser...but solyndra and one other defaults represent just 1.3 percent of the $37.6 billion loan portfolio (program)... need the return on the entire program.

3. sub-prime loans: and example of deregulation, not over regulation.

4. industry favoritism: not sure the point here...

5.the student loan market: dont see this as a failure...will google and comment later...of course we need GI bill type legislation which was a great investment in USA.

any insights on 4 and 5 appreciated.

nice to have a discussion on the issues vice playing the blame game; personal attacks; and repeating party line sound bites.

PS.

we dont have to agree...probably shouldn't and wont on many/most issues. but we should base our opines on facts (that w/ google are relatively easy to ascertain)...not party line sound bites.

we should question our ideologies and our leaders motives...are our positions and that of our leaders for the common good...or for the good of the party...they dont have to be mutually exclusive.

to close this maudlin, apropos of nothing, monologue (with more of the same):

"Truth is a shining goddess, always veiled, always distant, never wholly approachable, but worthy of all the devotion of which the human spirit is capable" (Bertrand Russell)